16/6/20172

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I've read a number of pieces recently, such as this one, reinforcing the point that the #indieweb is not designed to push people away from social networks.

While some would prefer users to migrate to alternatives to the big networks the indieweb acknowledges that these platforms are popular so just wants to establish ownership of content.

By espousing POSSE (Post on your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere) it actively encourages the spread of your data to social silos, effectively distributing copies, whilst retaining the original on your own property.

All well and good but, as I've mentioned before, we still end up with a fragmented landscape - the data and the conversation around it are two distinctly different things.

Discussion about the fragmentation of social conservations really came to the fore back in 2008 and here we are, 9 years later, still searching for a reliable solution that is easy to implement.

And this is where we start seeing the difference between the open web and the indieweb.

The open web relates to non-proprietary, standards based publishing of content, the technologies behind it, and the ability to both produce and consume it anywhere.

The indieweb takes that further. Of course, it promotes and relies on the open web but recognises that the closed web exists, plays a large part of people's lives, and tries to integrate with it.

But that can only go so far.

We can use webmentions to send responses to other sites with relative ease by installing a plugin, to be social without a social network. We can also use services like Bridgy to receive comments on our own sites from social networks but we are limited.

Actually establishing a proper conversation between sites, with the tools at our disposal, is impossible without being a developer.

Unless things are ridiculously simple to implement most will not entertain them and an extended indieweb will always struggle for adoption.

And, although there is rising disquiet about the actions of social behemoths in certain quarters, the ever rising user numbers indicate that the demand for alternatives doesn't outweigh the concern.

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Liked: Oatmeal || Posted June 16, 2017...

Some good thoughts from Eli, over two posts, about how the indieweb is effectively a walled garden due to the knowledge requirements and how we could move forward.

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